‘Game Of Thrones': Who Is Lady Stoneheart & Why Are Fans So Upset?

Mon, June 16, 2014 9:32am EDT by 19 Comments 104,928 Article Views
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John

Posted at 12:08 PM on June 19, 2014  

Further evidence of a later bow for LSH:

Alex Graves, who directed the finale, sure qualifies what he says with “this season” a lot doesn’t he? And when point-blank asked about season 5, he just says “I don’t know anything”, instead of simply “No”.

What is the purpose of showing the Dondarion resurrection arc? To show the power of the Lord of Light then? You mean the same Lord we already know can make shadow assassins come out of a priestess’ belly? Not at all necessary, unless there is a more specific story purpose.

Of course, it is to tag the audience with the backstory that resurrection is possible, so when we eventually see it we tie it all together as an elegantly-woven multi-season storyline.

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John

Posted at 11:58 AM on June 19, 2014  

Coldhands and LSH will show up later than usual in the HBO version, simply to have more interesting and cliffhanger-worthy arcs available to exploit in season 5 onward.

As any book readers know, there is an overall slowdown of arc-worthy topics in places, so shifting makes sense when looking at the overall lay of the HBO series like the showrunners must do.

In fact, I predict that one of those two will actually be held and introduced in the season 5 finale.

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Citra

Posted at 4:28 AM on June 18, 2014  

I read the books, I don’t know if I am going to watch the next season. I am soooo disappointed. Birng back lady stone heart!

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Joao Aurelio

Posted at 6:49 AM on June 17, 2014  

I thought it was an amazing finale especially thought and made to keep us chained to those chambers of fantasy one more many seasons. If the problem was only that Lady, as if there were no problems. Stannis entrance and the red priest meeting for the first time jon Snow…that was very poor, as our fellow Cold-hands..so on. This i say mostly because they spoiled some major long awaited questions…and then not showing these things and others. The 101 eye prince was worst than some fanfiction, hope they change the actor. But it was an amazing telivision moment, they were clever in giving farewell with the wolf grim reaper and Tyrion, as well as the last battle of the season being the Hound vs Brienne, was bloody well done and fan pleasing, i think. Congrats to them, let the next be even better and have some soldiers looking like actual castrati. And let’s see if the unburnt princess can mantain that title for much longer looooooool. And let the cat fight between the bitches wannabe queens begin

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Ser Robert Strong

Posted at 2:54 AM on June 17, 2014  

Why does everyone always have to pit the books and the TV series against one another? Why can’t people just enjoy them separately for what they are? The novels, as novels, are amazing. The show, as a TV show, is also amazing. Take enjoyment from the differences and tweaks to characters or story. I have read the books and love them, and I can’t fucking stand when people complain about this or that , perpetually exclaiming “why?!” or “omg!!!” or “fuck, I’m a crybaby!”
Look, the choices they make for the show in no way make the books any less enjoyable, so if you are going to compare what happens in the show to the books and bitch about it, then just stick to the novels and don’t bother with the show if it gets you so bent out of shape.
For folks who don’t read the books, the changes in the show will go unnoticed by them and be a non-issue. For the folks who read the books as well as watch the show, the changes they make, whether you agree with them or not, do not make the show any less of a solid than it is.
Point being: If you like the books, that’s great. If you like the show, that’s great, too. But please, stop fucking comparing them and expecting them to be i-fucking-dentical. That’s NOT the way it is, and if you don’t realize that by now, or realize what the actual themes are in this series and kind of have some foresight into where things are heading, then you should have given up on it a long time ago because it’s obviously not for you.
Enjoy both mediums for what they are and celebrate them as they deserve.

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Karen

Posted at 9:14 PM on June 16, 2014  

Don’t understand why people are saying how FANTASTIC the GoT finale is. It was okay.

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Jensnow

Posted at 8:34 PM on June 16, 2014  

They crammed a bunch of stuff in, yes, but, as Greg Miller notes, they could have further extended the time of the episode. They also could have saved some time by trimming from a few scenes, like the hound or even Tyrion’s patricide could have been shorter (especially considering they also, and I want to know what people think about THIS, omitted a reveal that occurrs in advance of Tyrion killing papa Lannister). Or why not slide some Bran/tree action into the prior episode. The apologists cite economy/space as a valid reason without making mention to the last episode.
I agree the singular coverage of the wall fight is not necessarily wasteful and there is a place for such focused treatment in the series, but totally not worth it in this case.

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Chris OKeefe

Posted at 7:31 PM on June 16, 2014  

IMHO, the writers did not need to devote any time or effort into the Lady Stoneheart storyline to make the fans go crazy with delight. If they took the last 30 seconds- after Arya sails off- they could set it up, not have to worry about exactly how to fit it in the storylines, and offer the most awesome cliffhanger ever. Arya sailing off would have allowed for a perfect transition, zoom into the water as she fades out of sight, cut to a barely visible corpse submerged in a shallow river. Beric Dondarrion happens upon it. Close up shot of him making a “holy s&*+, that’s Catelyn Starks corpse” face. Don’t even bother uttering a word. THE END.
I was expecting that. And I hate the fact that her absense really ruined the whole thing for me, It was an amazing episode, but I was left so unsatisfied because of that.

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Josiane Ochman (@PiloteXYZ)

Posted at 3:43 PM on June 16, 2014  

Don’t care, didn’t read the books and don’t intend to. Very satisfied with the finale. In terms of reanimated dead the skeletons were enough for me, you can only throw so much at the screen before it turns to caca.

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Peppermint

Posted at 11:00 AM on June 16, 2014  

Oh please, they had way too many things going in the finale to fit her in and it would have been horribly forced if they had! Lady Stoneheart would have served as too much of a distraction from the other meatier bits of story, like Tyrion’s revenge, the defeat of Mance Rayder, and Bran reaching the three-eyed raven. Beric Dondarrion would have required a bit of a recap so that viewers had time to remember who he was, why he’s relevant at all, and what his powers are before resurrecting Cat, which absolutely would have detracted and stolen time from the story that they were trying to tell this season. It would have slowed down the pacing and added a bunch of new information right in the last episode that had nothing to do with anything else that happened this season. No, it’s much better if they do it next season and allow Lady Stoneheart to have a role throughout the season instead of shoe-horning her in at the end for shock-value. The character deserves more than that, come on, guys. It also gives them something big to open with, why play all of your best cards right at the end of a season when you know that climactic events are going to be tough due to the length of the books and the current pace of the show’s story come season 5? It makes no sense.

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harlow8150

Posted at 10:57 AM on June 16, 2014  

SPOILERS

People need to get over it. Look Lady Stoneheart is the just like Beric. She is mad and wants vengence. She is not a mother any longer. She knows Sansa is alive and even though she hates Jon she knows that Robb decreed him as the successor but instead she rather chill in the Riverlands and kill Freys Lannisters and Boltons. Well one there aren’t any boltons in the Riverlands any longer. Two the riverlands are not important and here is why. The Lannisters and Freys won’t be strong much longer so what is she to do after that? The power will be Tyrell’s, Dornish, and the northern conspiracy and not to mention the wights at the wall. She has Zero part in those storylines and once the Lannisters and Freys are done which most people think will pretty much happen in the books what else is her role then? Her current role literally has zero impact the ultimate end game for the book. I don’t know why everyone thinks she is so important in the story. All she is in the book is a monster in the woods, nothing more. People freak out cause she is a Stark. She is the same as Beric only happens to be a Stark mother.

Couple of better notes – one, everyone is saying that why did they show Beric being resurrected if they weren’t going to show Catelyn. The point of Beric being resurrected wasn’t to foreshadow Catelyn’s resurrection. It was to show the viewer the the Lord of Light is real and anyone associated with the Lord of Light should be taken seriously. No other gods are portrayed like the lord of light is. Think about it. Also, Catelyn’s resurrection is cool and all but it’s not like she does anything huge in the books. She is only in like 3 chapters and one of those is her being resurrected. So the fans want Stoneheart but they want the showrunners to waste 1/3 of her source material in season 4 when it will be so much better used in season 5 and 6 when the book material is lacking the epic events.

Fans, calm down and enjoy what we just watched. We just watched probably the best season this show will have unless book 6 and 7 and maybe 8 are awesome. We just got done watched probably the best 3 to 4 episode run the show will ever have. This show is by far king of TV now that Mad Men blows and Breaking Bad is over, no walking dead is no where near.

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Jutch Swarm (@Bladeofshakuras)

Posted at 3:23 PM on June 17, 2014  

Spoilers.

She has got something to do with Jamie’s storyline. After he takes Riverrun from Bryden Tully Brienne shows up (this is after her meeting with Lady Stoneheart) and basically lures Jamie away from Riverrun. After that point we have not heard a single thing about Jamie’s whereabouts and won’t until Winds of Winter comes out. So yeah she does have a roll to play in the story, unfortunately, she hasn’t done anything yet except possibly murder Pod :'( Fans are upset that she wasn’t included (I’m mostly speaking for myself right now) because her showing up in the epilogue of ASoS was the most shocking and mind blowing part of the entire book series. Yes the Red Wedding was a surprise but you knew something shitty was going to happen as soon as the chapter opened with one of the Frey’s running out to meet Robb’s company and Grey Wind attacked him completely unprovoked.

I wanted to see the part I read come to life on screen. I wanted to see my friends reaction to see her on screen with “flesh that had gone pudding soft in the water and turned the color of curdled milk. Half her hair was gone and the rest had turned as white and brittle as a crone’s. Beneath her ravaged scalp, her face was shredded skin and black blood where she had raked herself with her nails.” Not to mention the massive gash where her throat would have been.

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Bob

Posted at 9:29 PM on June 17, 2014  

Um, they wasted time with Grey Worm and Missandei talking about pillars and stones. I think having a couple of minutes of LSH is hardly would make anything worse.

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Zaphod Beeblebrox

Posted at 10:51 AM on June 16, 2014  

I would guess that if the final episode this year was allowed to be 90 minutes, she would have made it in. It could have been cut late — just too much going on for 66 minutes. What do you cut? Stannis rescuing the wall? Arya heading to Bravos? Maybe the Dragon Chaining?

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Alexander Lewis-White

Posted at 11:33 AM on June 16, 2014  

Dragon chaining could have been cut, as well as the hound’s fight with Brienne. That’s personal opinion though. Or even Arya catching the boat to Braavos, which would have been fine as an opener next season. I just think Lady Stoneheart’s shock entrance would have been amazing.

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Greg Miller

Posted at 11:46 AM on June 16, 2014  

You mean the Hounds fight with Brianna that never happened in the book?

 
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PixelShrimp

Posted at 5:05 PM on June 16, 2014  

Pretty much this. ;The fight didn’t even happen in the book. Also ,there still hasn’t been the appearance of Coldhands which is kinda important. I hope they don’t omit him entirely. -.- That would be a damn shame.

 
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Greg Miller

Posted at 11:45 AM on June 16, 2014  

A 2 hour season finale is not unheard of, especially for something as cool as GoT.

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JBerg

Posted at 5:17 AM on June 18, 2014  

I’m a reader of the books, and althogh I liked the finale I felt like something was missing from the story without Lady StoneHeart. I believe if you put Lady Stoneheart in the last 30 seconds of the show as a mysterious hooded image from a distance it would have given that shock value to the show. I was really looking forward seeing that. Very disappointing! Maybe next year.

 
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