‘Game Of Thrones': Jaime’s Shocking Rape Of Sister Cersei — Fans React

Mon, April 21, 2014 9:43am EDT by 17 Comments
Jaime Rapes Cersei Game Of Thrones
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Posted at 2:11 AM on June 3, 2014  

This scene made me and my friends stop torrenting and subscribe to hbo, all is good in the world.

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Posted at 9:00 PM on May 25, 2014  

I can’t believe people see this brutal rape as something other than what it is. Rape is rape, NO means no. I can’t believe people and their B.S. in regards to giving this scene any kind of validity. And this show has become a disgusting piece of crap. It is not art, it is worst than a snuff film. There is no beauty in the show. It has become lost beyond any point of redemption. By the way…I haven’t watched the show this this scene, and actually cancelled my HBO subscription. That stuff will rot your brain.

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Posted at 9:11 PM on May 4, 2014  

It’s Cersei, a character with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (as highlighted in side-scenes throughout the purple wedding). I just couldn’t be bothered to find the scene that shocking.

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Posted at 8:59 AM on April 22, 2014  

I have just watched it again, it’s in Youtube.
He comforts her – she kisses him and when sees his fake hand clearly recoils in disgust practically hissing – he looks hurt and says “You’re a hateful woman. Why did the gods make me love a hateful woman?” – he then pushes her down roughly almost on top of Joffrey and kisses her – she struggles and says “please!” – and “stop”. He tears her dress and kisses her again. SHE HOLDS ON TO HIS FACE returning the kiss – she holds on to his shoulder. He then turns her around and throws her on the ground. She says, “No, it’s not right” he says “I don’t care” – he pumps on top of her – her hand twists the fabric below Joffrey’s body.

So definitely played with some ambiguity especially in light of what happens in the book as well (where she protests and then participates). Here it’s worse than in the book because he is not just returning and trying to reconnect with his lover and sister — but has been there for a while and has suffered under her disdain and coldness.

When I say she could have reacted more given this is Jamie, not the Hound, for example, and she is no shrinking violet, I mean not that she could have screamed and asked for help as she would never expose herself, but that she could have ended up with fistfuls of his hair and he with a lot of scratches to say the least. I think it would have been played like that if it had no ambiguity in it.

Her horror at his hand is what sets him off and makes him unable to stop, so he is trying to punish her. In that sense and in the sense he ultimately forces her, it is rape — but looking at it as a work of fiction that is unravelling before our eyes I think it’s more interesting to see it as a development in a very sick relationship and how it will affect the characters rather than judge it from a moral point of view as if this were a real court case.

The question people are also asking is whether it has spoiled Jamie’s redemptive arc but we have no idea what Martin has planned for him, as he likes to surprise us all . Maybe he is not ultimately going towards redemption — people reading the books may have more insight into this –or maybe redemption is not like an arrow that’s shot straight but a more difficult path. But the way the scene played out to me says he is in great pain, trying to keep her and go on loving her at the same time that he is finally seeing how horrible she is because she is being horrible to him and punishing her for it . And she may be oscillating between love for him, grief and a new-found disgust to what she perceives as his weakness or uselessness or his abandonment of her.

In the book they were probably not at this stage yet, disgust and mistrust on both sides had not yet set in, but in the series with change in timeline and some events clearly they are at a very contradictory and conflicted moment and I think this scene is a creatively valid and potentially interesting choice.

What shocked me the most was the cadaver right there — though Joffrey was a little Caligula, the presence of a corpse as a witness ought to stop anyone. Also, Jamie despised Joffrey but knows his sister loved him, so losing his head at this point adds to the injury and I suspect might be what she will not forgive and what he meant to be unforgivable.

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Posted at 3:34 AM on April 23, 2014  

Did I watch the same episode? I abhor rape, but I did not see this as rape. Had it been The Mountain or Maester Pynecell, I would agree with everyone. Perhaps, I have become too jaded.
I feel, at the beginning of their marriage, Khal Drogo raped Dany, until she too over in the boudoir..

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Posted at 9:02 PM on April 21, 2014  

So this is what actually happened:

Jaime manhandles her roughly throughout, physically forcing Cersei to comply throughout the scene.

Cersei says “Jaime not here please. Please.” She says “Stop it” three times and “stop” another two times plus some possible stops that are not quite spoken and she also pleads “it’s not right” three times. He rips her dress, pins her to the floor as she tearfully whispers don’t. The scene ends with him having dragged her to the floor and holding her down.

If you don’t think that was rape, seek help. It was rape. End of.

So why would the director destroy a character arc like that? Jaime has now gone from being a person who loved his sister and hated rape to the point he lost a hand saving someone from rape, to a coward who rapes the woman he once claimed to love.

The simplest answer is nearly always the correct once. It’s what the director enjoyed seeing.

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Posted at 11:02 AM on May 12, 2014  

It is not as cut and dry as that. She says “Stop” and “No” while carressing his face and pulling him towards her. She wraps her arms around him and while saying the opposite of what her body is saying.
She is crying for a multitude of reasons. Her kid is dead, her love/brother is back. He has changed. She has changed. She is mad at him and terribly in love with him all at the same time. She believes that her brother did it. He does not agree. In that moment there are so many emotions so to say that someone is warped for being as confused by the scene as the character in it is oversimplifying things.

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Posted at 8:13 PM on April 21, 2014  

Well, I think that the whole “is it rape or isn’t it” is getting out of hand (not with you, Matzuki, but in general in the internet) when, I would like to emphasize, it’s a work of fiction and we are talking about it as such — NOT as a real case.
AS A WORK OF FICTION, I think that the way Cersei has always been presented, and the way in which Jamie is presented (towards her) and the way the scene is played there is no reason for her to think that he would actually kill her if she refused him.
(The scene could have been played like that: knowing Westeros and its characters, he could get so angry or go amok and make her think that he would kill her, or be ready to kill her, but I don’t think it was played like that).
Since there seems to be no such threat of life, I believe that with her character, she would fight him way harder — he would probably overpower her if he is bent on rape, but she would probably take two fistfuls of his hair at the very least.
Before anyone gets infuriated and says I am blaming the victim, and the obvious, that many rape victims cannot struggle, etc, again I would say I am judging a fictional scene as I think it plays within the narrative and not what real cases of rape are.
I do believe that since she has no cause to fear being killed by him, which is what keeps a lot of victims from fighting harder, there is an ambiguity to her response which has a lot to do with what the story has been so far. Maybe because she loves him and yet she despises him now, or maybe she wants to be comforted but is appalled that they are doing this next to dead Joffrey — or other reasons. The potential interest in this scene — and one has to wonder if it has been put there just for shock value as some things in GoT decidedly are — is, in my view, this ambiguity. If this has been a straight out rape then it’s hard to understand where either of them is coming from: why does he do something so horrible and why does she not fight like a demon having no fear for her life, though he may overpower her.
The director saying it’s not rape is indicative of something, because HE had to tell the actors how to play this.
So, though of course one would be mad to think that rape is remotely acceptable, I think one has to judge this in terms of the narrative and where it has been and wants to go.
I may be mistaken, of course — and some people have made the point, which is in the books but not so much in the series and I have not read the books, that Baratheon used to rape her so Jaime doing this would be especially horrible to her. But since Baratheon doesn’t rape her in the series and Jaime doesn’t rape her in the books I think that might not be something we are all supposed to think about when watching the scene. But, again, could be wrong.
I do agree Jaime is not above rape and some very bad things — he threw a child out of a tower in the first episode — and I would like to see how this plays out, what this scene will mean to their relationship.

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Posted at 6:11 PM on April 21, 2014  

You are missing very vital passages before that one:


I’m not sure how her refusing him verbally and physically, and then encouraging him because she has no choice isn’t rape. She didn’t consent, she submitted to him because she had no choice.
But, honestly, guys, why would you think Jaime is above raping her? This guy isn’t a good guy. he’s not someone who should be defended, and the ‘relationship’ people are trying to defend here is utterly destructive for them.

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Posted at 3:01 PM on April 21, 2014  

I think Cersei is capable of way more resistance than this — if we decide to look at the narrative of this particular character and her relationship with Jamie. The whole point here is that there is something new in their relationship, they used to be not only siblings and lovers but great allies; there was no dissent, no ambiguity.
She is the one who kisses him then recoils from his fake hand, she has already said he took too long to come back (she feels she was left alone dealing with the “stress”, to say the least, of court) – she wavers about him. I think he feels the same way about her, he sees her cruelty more clearly now, not only because she is rejecting him but also because he has become better through suffering. And now she wants him to kill the brother he loves.
I think this was a good way of showing the alternating attraction/repulsion they feel towards each other now. The whole scene reflected this movement towards/away from each other.
Cersei could definitely, in the context of the scene and how it was presented, have struggled and screamed more or shown only horror and disgust, whereas she was oscillating.
This is different from the book probably because in the series they chose to anticipate Jamie’s return to the end of last season, thus putting it before Joffrey’s death; also a way to portray the growing complexity of their relationship.
I think it’s interesting that Jamie’s path should not be wholly forward towards complete goodness — dramatically it’s more interesting if he goes back and forth, fights against himself. Only Martin knows how he will end up — I hope not dead for a while at least.
Nevertheless, I find it interesting that people should make a huge outcry about whether or not he raped her when these two are brother and sister — hellooooo? I mean, start looking at Game of Thrones from a moral ground and you’d better stop watching. Should we not then stop every time a character is slaughtered to talk against murder, because though I am a woman I still think murder is worse than rape. What could we say about slavery, and prostitution, and children being married off against their will? Is any of this acceptable from a real-world, modern perspective and the idea of human rights?
A lot of what happens in this series is a bit too strong for some tastes — I understand that people who read the books want the series to stay faithful to it, I’ve felt like that about books I read before i saw the film, but the whole issue of how immoral this is might be taking it too far when judging a work of fiction…

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Posted at 2:07 PM on April 21, 2014  

I find rape against anyone reprehensible. I agree with Jaime that Cersei is a ‘hateful’ woman and felt no sympathy for her. In fact, I would not call it rape. I think she started out with a kiss which became more passionate because she was trying to convince Jaime to murder Tyrion and avenge their son’s death. Cersei, probably, would not have resisted at all had they been in her suite. She meekly said no, she did not fight Jaime, nor did she scream. Personally, I would have preferred if the act had occurred next to Joffrey’s corpse. I was more appalled at the savagery with which Khal Drogo took Dany. This is my opinion. I am not trying to endorse rape nor convince viewers to agree with me. I am not posting so someone can respond and berate me or call me names. Social media is a place where people can opine and leave it at that.

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Posted at 9:04 PM on April 21, 2014  

Either don’t voice your opinion or accept that you will be called out on it. Yours is a pro rape comment.

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Posted at 11:12 AM on April 21, 2014  

I am sending this for all of the other people out there who use this site. I am sure that this is no skin off your backs, but I will no longer be visitng this site, and here is why:


In the future, use “SPOILER ALERT” instead of actually putting the spoiler in the headline. Whoever put that there has no right to be in any type of social media or perhaps even on the internet. That is just bad etiquette.

I haven’t watched that episode, and thanks to this site and its editors, I am going into it knowing something significant that happened. Thanks for nothing, you jerks.

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Posted at 9:05 PM on April 21, 2014  

It’s fantastic that someone is actually calling it rape in the headlines. And people should be warned in advance that the director has a pro rape fetish.

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Posted at 11:11 AM on April 21, 2014  

The excerpt you show cuts out the first half of the scene, which is where Cersei says “No” and “Stop” several times. You need to include that half for the show to make any sense.

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Posted at 11:01 AM on April 21, 2014  

Your premise is wrong. Just because someone tries to kill children doesn’t make them a rapist and vice versa. It takes a particular kind of character to rape another human being and another type of character to quickly kill someone in order to make sure they don’t talk. Look at any prison population and you will see that those who kill are usually not ones who rape and vice versa. Those who are abusive to kids will often be kind to animals and vice versa. Hitler slaughtered millions of men women and children and yet treated his dogs with great love. Likewise Jaime is the type of person who will kill a child to protect his relationship with Cersei, but he is not a rapist. Making him so in the show now completely changes his character.

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Posted at 10:48 AM on April 21, 2014  

In the books she said no at first, but all her protests were about how they were in a sept and by Joffrey and it was wrong. She wanted to have sex with him, just not there, but eventually she’s like, “fuck it.”

Anyways, what I’m really mad about is that it’s so out of character. We’re talking about the dude who got his hand cut off to save Brienne from rape. This isn’t a guy who would rape Cersei, who he loves. And the act pretty much knocked back a seasons’ worth of character development.

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