‘The Walking Dead': Did Carol Finally Go Too Far?

Mon, March 17, 2014 9:37am EDT by 43 Comments
Walking Dead Carol Kills Lizzie
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xaviersx

Posted at 7:01 PM on October 12, 2014  

Lizzie was broken, the kind of broken that a modern medical society could take the time to deal with, but not a zombie plagued world coupled with the care of an infant in the group. Lizzie left on her own would most likely die in the embrace of zombies (playing with them or seeking solace much like a written character tried to make friends to deadly ends. Left in the group, Lizzie remains a threat either with feeding the menace, letting down the guard/security, or actively trying to kill (to change them into the next stage). Carol saw too late that the only merciful thing was to end it quickly and with that one calming, look at the flowers.

Now onto dealing with Rick and his family.

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Christian

Posted at 4:53 PM on May 9, 2014  

No!! No!! :'( last monday i decided to start watching the walking dead (for the first time) and im now as im writing this finished with the episode… Its sad.. Poor Mika.. Poor Lizzie:( i dont like the way they kill of my favourite characters.. But i guess that makes it realistic…

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TheCritic89

Posted at 1:54 PM on March 30, 2014  

Whoa, some of you liked Carol before, but NOW you don’t like her? That’s confusing. I don’t like Carol, but she’s more tolerable now than before. Her daughter died because she was too weak to save her when she needed it. Then, she got mad at the people who did more to save her than she did. She shouldn’t have killed the sick pair. However, she definitely should have killed this girl. She would have died on her own, and you can’t fix that kind of crazy without taking on some huge risks and likely having a relapse. No way, especially if you’re unsure if you’ll ever find a home with lots of people. I wouldn’t fall asleep near her.

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TheCritic89

Posted at 1:56 PM on March 30, 2014  

Oh dear, I’ve read a significant number of the comments now about the girl and Carol. Lots of you would die quickly……very quickly.

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Sharon Basile

Posted at 12:26 PM on September 8, 2014  

i agree she did what had to be done
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Jutt

Posted at 11:56 AM on March 30, 2014  

I would have left Lizzie to the walkers long before this episode.

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Ciara

Posted at 1:34 AM on March 30, 2014  

There’s really no wrong or right answer to this, depending on one’s choice of ethics.

Carol is simply a utilitarian. She only wants to help the greater number of people, rather than risking them all for the sake of one (Lizzie) or two (Karen and David/whateverhisnamewas). One can argue that it’s not right and that she deserves justice because killing anyone no matter what they did is wrong – this is a deontological point of view. Like I said, it varies.

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Mi Pen

Posted at 6:09 AM on March 30, 2014  

Well there is a right answer..

1.There are no shrinks anymore..
2.Nowhere to lock them up..
3.Allowing her to become a zombie, would be sicker and even more inhumane…
4.Allowing her to stay would invite a death sentence on everybody else.
5.Allowing here to go would mean she would, most likely,sucker some other group into allowing her in, if she survived.

The right answer is a quick shot to the head…All other nice options are only available in a normal world that has the facilities.

The older woman made the right (if morally squeamish) call.

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Mi Pen

Posted at 2:39 PM on March 28, 2014  

She was already Created..She had done other sick stuff..And was basically a nutjob. That was good at hiding. There is no psychiatrist couch…and you cant sleep around with a sicko that wants to kill you and make you a zombie. Or let her go to kill someone else unsuspecting. Its survival..pure and simple.

Bullet to the back of the head was necessary personally I’d just have quickly shot her straight in the face, as soon as i saw the dead sister she murdered. Rather than the long painful execution.

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Justin

Posted at 9:49 AM on March 26, 2014  

Let me get this straight – Carol creates the monster-kid, and then kills her because she doesn’t like how the monster behaves. Frankly I don’t like what Carol has become and can’t wait til she meets her end.

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Alexandra

Posted at 5:45 PM on April 18, 2014  

This is what I love about TWD honestly! Carol is one of my favourite characters – not because of her ethics, but because she’s one of the more complex ones that there are many explanations for why one would like her/dislike her, etc. The one thing I disagree with is that Carol creates the monster-kid. I don’t think she did. Should she have not taught her to use weaponry? Sure. But at the time she didn’t know how Lizzie would use it. It was meant to be for the sake of protection to use against the walkers. They tried time and time again to remove those ideas from Lizzie’s head about the zombies and explained to her how dangerous they were (granted the many rampages should have illustrated that). The fact that Lizzie couldn’t grasp it was most likely due to a developmental disorder, but it made her a danger to the group, especially since she had intended to kill Judith and would have done so had they not arrived on time, so what was stopping her from doing so the next time she had the chance? The same flaws in decision-making can be applied to Carol, but I also think that she was justified in killing Lizzie. While she was wrong for killing the other two as they could have just left them quarantined and murdered them if and when they became zombiefied, we all saw what happened later with more people lost to those who died and turned. Similarly, they should have acted on the Lizzie issue far before she put the group in more danger, but they didn’t and she killed Mika for absolutely no logical reason. The show does show you examples of the consequences of not acting fast enough or just inactions.

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Justin

Posted at 9:39 AM on March 26, 2014  

Carol is just as crazy as Lizzie. She plays god and decides who lives and dies. She killed two innocent people before and now a child. Even Rick who thought Carol shouldn’t be around people, spared her life. Tyrese better wake up because he may be the next “expendable” human within Carol’s reach. I wish he’d just slit her throat. Carol is the most dangerous character on WD.

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Ricardo

Posted at 6:39 PM on September 20, 2014  

So what should have they have done to lizie after she murdered her own sister in cold blood? Not to mention she was going to kill judith!

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Melissa Boone

Posted at 9:58 PM on March 24, 2014  

I admire Carol. She’s a mother and understands how precious life is. For her to be able to do what needs to be done is almost unbelievable. Her heart breaks but she remains strong no matter what. I thought the kid was gone when she killed the rabbits. Even allies wouldn’t be safe around a kid who killed her own sister.

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Jorge Rubio

Posted at 3:24 PM on March 19, 2014  

hey, this scene is really really similar to the last chapter in the book ‘OF Mice and Men’ by John Steinbeck, have a look

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Tony Randall

Posted at 9:15 AM on April 3, 2014  

Yep exactly what I thought, dem rabbits.. Think of the rabbits..

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Ty Yee

Posted at 5:44 AM on March 19, 2014  

Nah, I don’t think Carol went too far. I mean Lizzie was killing innocent people, she’s crazy. Carol made a tough choice but it had to be done because people aren’t safe with her. She thinks it’s ok to kill people and doesn’t feel bad about it – that’s dangerous.

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vms

Posted at 12:22 AM on March 18, 2014  

In the world they live in, there are no safe places for young girls like Lizzie. Nobody to help her. It’s one thing to try and sleep, having to look out for walkers. It’s another having to look out for a ‘smart’ (for lack of a better word) and abled girl trying to kill you because she thinks you’ll come back. It was a tough choice, and I can’t say I’m happy about it, but I don’t think Carol was in the wrong. The only other option I see, is to have left her alone at the house/in the woods, and run the risk of her finding them again.

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Justin

Posted at 10:53 PM on March 17, 2014  

You people are mad. She killed a mentally ill kid. There is no right in that. Carol would be right at home running a death camp.

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Jose

Posted at 11:18 PM on March 17, 2014  

She created the monster though

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Fletch

Posted at 11:14 PM on March 18, 2014  

Dumbest thing I have read so far…

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Mike

Posted at 11:57 PM on March 18, 2014  

I agree with Justin. Zombies, no zombies, today or a thousand years ago, with a stable government or non at all I would hope that my stance on murder would be the same. Only take a life in self defense if you feel that your own life is in immediate danger.

Who is Carol to decide who lives and dies and what is best for the greater good? What makes her choices any better than when the Governor wanted to murder everyone in that camp to steal their supplies? That was for the greater good of his own camp, but that was obviously wrong.

Look whether there are human laws in place or not, God’s law trumps all and he says do not murder and do not seek revenge. Therefore whether Lizzy deserved to die or not, is not the point.

So Carol made herself the judge, jury and executioner. Maybe someone else will decide she’s a threat and murder her.

Another option might have been to handcuff or tie up Lizzie’s hands and try to get her to Terminus where maybe she could get help or be put in jail or something.

Children in our society that murder are not given the death penalty..aren’t they put in prison until at least 18? I’m not sure..but I’ve never heard of a child getting the death penalty.

In war women and children are off limits. There are international laws against it.

Carol murdered a mentally ill child. Not good to do ever even if you are surrounded by zombies and have no hospitals or court systems.

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Ted Reigen

Posted at 10:11 AM on March 19, 2014  

We don’t even know if Terminus is still running or if it ever existed (it could be an elaborate trap, for all we know) or not. Lizzie needed to be put down for her own safety and the safety of others. She would have endangered any group she was in and also endanger herself due to her beliefs on the walkers. I wasn’t just a safety kill so much as it was a mercy kill. I’d rather Carol shoot her now and thus prevent Lizzie from murdering anyone else rather than turning her loose on her own so she can either endanger someone else or get herself eaten alive. I think a bullet to the brain is a much preferable death than being eaten alive. She didn’t even know it was happening.

 
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Sammylane

Posted at 4:21 PM on March 26, 2014  

You’ll be among the 1st to be devoured,should this happen in real life as you are trying to compare our real world to that of a Zombie infest world in TWD.

 
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TheCritic89

Posted at 2:02 PM on March 30, 2014  

Mike and Justin. Easily some of the first to die.

I would like to hear Mike or Justin’s more humane solution to this problem. There are none, of course, considering the circumstances. To take her with you would put the lives of you, your party, and anyone you come into contact with in jeopardy. To leave her anything else but a quick death leaves her with a slow death. She inevitably would come back as a zombie, just leaving her to continue to be a danger, potentially, to someone else.

 
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Sevion hastings

Posted at 10:47 PM on March 17, 2014  

Fuck Lizzie she fucking killed her own kind fucking sister that fucking stupid girl thinks that she will come back Hell no she wont come back i would not even kill my own brother just to see if he will come back, if anyone lost there mind it was Lizzie

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Eddy M (@emurphy1853)

Posted at 6:24 PM on March 17, 2014  

Well she did as she was a danger. The scene she killed Mika, she said she was about to stab Judith, Carol managed to talk her out of it.Only a psychopath (bad at spelling that word) would kill a baby and watch it turn into a dead creature to prove a point. Carol did what she had to do.

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RyZ

Posted at 12:55 PM on June 16, 2014  

Yeah but who created the psychopath? You’re acting like Lizzie was a psycho from day one. She was 11 years old. She was dealing with things no kids should have to deal with. Can you blame her for losing it? I agree that the humane thing would have been to tie her up. You wouldn’t kill your own child would you? Lizzie was Carol’s child at that point. Carol is to blame for all of this anyways. She taught them how to use these weapons, killed their own dad in front of them without telling them what was happening, she clearly did not prepare them for what is happening, yet she taught them how to kill? Carol has become the monster. Rick should have executed her when he took her to the town. She killed two innocent people in Karen and David. That’s definitely worthy of the death penalty. She knew what she was doing.

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Darien Rachelle

Posted at 8:06 PM on August 25, 2014  

You also have a double standard going on there. You say Rick should have killed Carol because she killed Karen and David, but say it’s wrong Carol killed a child murderer that was preparing to kill a baby that can’t even walk yet??
Also, Lizzie wasn’t Carol’s child at the time. If anything, Mika would’ve been her child. Seems you also missed when Lizzie called Carol mom, and Carol told her not to call her that.

 
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T.

Posted at 2:01 PM on March 17, 2014  

She definitely did the right thing, her and Tyreese. There was nothing else they could do and she was danger to the baby and to them. To herself too.

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JJ

Posted at 1:53 PM on March 17, 2014  

[Furthermore, when Tyreese looked on as Lizzie killed Carol, ]

Proofread, Amanda, proofread.

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Amanda Michelle Steiner

Posted at 2:07 PM on March 17, 2014  

Fixed — thanks for pointing out! Alas, I am but only a human being.

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reznor1980@gmail.com

Posted at 1:44 PM on March 17, 2014  

id like to know where baby judith is at the end non of them have her ????

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dicgrasn999

Posted at 1:57 PM on March 17, 2014  

Baby Judith is strapped to Tyresse’s back under the beige blanket with the hood.

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miguel

Posted at 5:20 PM on March 18, 2014  

why did they dig three grave and on one of them they put baby shoes on it. did they kill judith because karol said to tyresse that she wasnt going to make either??

 
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Michael

Posted at 1:27 PM on March 17, 2014  

In that world you can’t afford to carry people like that. You can’t sleep with one eye open, you can’t always look behind your back. Lizzie was more than willing to kill Judith in cold blood. She was too dangerous to be kept alive.

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Ted Reigen

Posted at 10:13 AM on March 19, 2014  

Exactly. It’s hard enough keeping an eye out for dangers outside of the group without them having to constantly monitor Lizzie as well.

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Chris

Posted at 1:06 PM on March 17, 2014  

Carol is definitely a hero! I feel like she’s so misunderstood and no one gets the harsh reality of the situation in full except for her. She does what others cannot and she does it with good intentions knowing that her actions will provide a better living for others around her. You can’t have a mentally ill young girl in your hands during this situation there’s just no way around it and she could have easily snapped and turned the blade on Carol, Tyreese and then Judith. Carol just does what needs to be done but she doesn’t do it miliciously because she clearly weighs down on her decisions and they weigh down on her as well. I personally think Carol is the realest character on the show and does what needs to be done to survive, she has a good heart and you can tell she doesn’t kill just to kill. There’s always a reason and sometimes it comes down to the wire of putting down the living if they are at risk of harming yourself. I’m glad she put her down rather than them like leaving her there or sending her off into the woods to be eaten.

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Chris

Posted at 1:06 PM on March 17, 2014  

Maliciously **

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me

Posted at 11:01 AM on March 17, 2014  

I meant let’s not blame.

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me

Posted at 11:00 AM on March 17, 2014  

Let’s not blams Carol for this Tyrese also made that decision.On the Talking Dead Melissa discussed why they both decided that way.Lizzie was the one that went to far at any time she could have been bitten by a couple of walkers she was playing with and was saved.Lizzie killed her own sister and was ready to kill Judith so how do you think that Carol went to far?.Lizzie would have turned on Tyrese and Carol eventually.Leaving Lizzie behind would have been worse.Carol and Tyrese decided the most human thing possible for her ,Lizzie could not handle the situation any more.Lizzie had no reaction to killing her own sister and tried to kill Judith before.Carol told Tyrese as she felt defeated for killing Lizzie that she had killed Karen and David so Carol has not gone too far she is just trying to survive and help the others.

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Eddy M (@emurphy1853)

Posted at 6:29 PM on March 17, 2014  

Which was my point. she was ready to kill a baby to prove its still normal when its not. Carol killed Lizzie to protect another child who is weak and vulnerable. Carol killed David and Karen because she didnt want anyone to catch this disease. Eventhough it didnt work, she had to try. Karen would of died anyway.. (we didnt know who david was)

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Aj Callaghan

Posted at 12:34 PM on March 29, 2014  

i have no idea what i would of done if i was that position! i was shocked to say least!! maybe i would of let her see her sister turn, and see what happends then, it was a decision made too quickly!!

 
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